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>> a very good afternoon. 1:00 eastern. >> i am crazy burns. senators returning to washington from last attempt but the house is still out and no new negotiations are scheduled. >> consumer confidence is plunging taking the market down with it. which ended 16 points. trending back and forth. as jobless claims to drop to the lowest level. >> today we look at the un study future of the middle east. what risk lies ahead let's get to speed with the markets are we going over the cliff? consumer confidence is dismal let's go to nicole petallides at new york stock exchange. >> the market under pressure hovering around 13,000 where we're sitting right now. othello's of the day. we have recouped some of the losses but we're still down over 100 points. every single component is a red. johnson & johnson. pfizer. aluminum. and materials. jpmorgan that hit a 52 week high it is now a loser. with the vix index look at the levels the volatility index it is a showing and the indication there is nervousness with washington. what will lawmakers do with a decision? this is the highest point* of a one-
in washington. did the nra, wayne lapierre hurt himself in friday by what can only be described as this rant? >> well, look, emotions across the country are running so high, aren't they, on this? many people i think would believe this is the 9/11 moment of the gun control issue, after this terrible, terrible massacre in newtown. so, the question is exactly as you frame it, the political oomph, if you will, behind each side. after all of this, will the nra be -- have enough political muscle power on capitol hill to push back successfully against any new legislation that might be coming or will they have damaged themselves? what is the calculation? will those who favor reinstating the assault of the -- the ban on assault weapons or other new gun control legislation, including those high-powered magazines, those -- those magazines that can carry tense and tense and tens of rounds, will they have the political oomph this time to enact new legislation? >> barbara starr in washington, thank you very much. >>> earlier, i spoke with state of the union anchor candy crowley about -- we talked about th
again. the president in washington and another deadline. secretary geithner warns we will hit the debt ceiling even before we tumble over the fiscal cliff. good morning from washington. it is thursday, december 27th. this is "the daily rundown." i'm luke russert. two days after christmas and washington is back to work trying to harsh out a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. the senate will get back from the session after holiday break. the president is expected to arrive back to the white house without his family to get back to twork mework to meet the loo deadline. mike is at the white house. let's start with you. the consensus around the hill is that we are more likely than not to go over the fiscal cliff, but there is a small chance harry reid could take a house pass bill and amend it and send it back over to the house. what are you hear being that? >> conceivably, but when the president lights upon the south lawn and the marine one later this morning, it's unclear why he is coming back and who will be here with him. as you mentioned, speaker boehner remains in ohio where he is from. h
. >>> the president gets set to land in washington this hour. there's new word that the president has called all four congressional leaders. reid, mcconnell, boehner and pelosi. . joining me to talk more, we have peter alexander standing by at the white house as well as nbc's mike viqueira on capitol hill. some verbal smackdown, basically flipping the lights back on and harry reid taking to the floor to eviscerate speaker boehner. >> the sad part is you often seen the floor opened that way. mitch mcconnell being later today. i'm sure we'll hear something later. to hear it two days after christmas and a matter of days before we go through the fiscal cliff, obviously not encouraging. harry reid says time is running hout. he doesn't know if they could go through the legislative hurdles. if they have the votes around here, they can legislate the sky is green and the grass is blue. that's not an issue. what harry reid is really saying is mitch mcconnell, get on board, don't try to filibuster. of course they're talking about a bill that had raise capital on couples making more than $250,000 a year, and do
, what happens next? "the washington times" says the collapse of plan b is a disaster for john boehner. an embarrassing setback for the republicans. "the wall street journal" says there are questions for john boehner to lead his party in further negotiations. 10 days before the looming fiscal cliff. this morning we will be taking your calls and comments. we will sort through what happens next. the phone lines are open. send us an e-mail, a facebook comment, or a tweet. let's look at the headlines from "the new york times." a similar headline this morning from "the washington post." maynard dropped the effort to avert the fiscal cliff. -- the john boehner drops the effort to avert the fiscal cliff. this from "the washington -- the wall street journal." the deadline looms with the fiscal cliff, that story available on line. joining us live, meredith who has been following this since it started. what happened to the caucus last night? caller: there is the surface answer, what happened when they were leaving the room. i think the most telling detail and what you have seen and the most outl
. chief washington correspondent ed henry live in the white house briefing room with the administration latest effort to reach a deal. with a last minute pitch from the president. the president seems to be saying go home for the holidays, take a deep breath. ref lax. come back. get it done. >> good evening, john. high drama here. when the president is leaving for hawaii in 90 minutes from now. first, though, he met at the white house with senator reid and he called the speaker boehner and came out on the podium behind me. he laid out three-point plan that he thinks can pass if ten days. extend tax cut for 98% of the public. extend unemployment benefit for 2 million people. come back to deal with spending cut and deficit reduction. he said that was achievable by january 1 to avoid the cliff. after last night, unclear whether anything can pass. >> just as the economy is really starting to recover, and we're starting to see optimistic signs. we have seen, actually, some up-side statistics from a range of areas clouding housing, now is not the time for more self-inflicted wounds. certainly
have big news out of washington, where nothing is happening. the house is not in session, and as of this moment has no plans to be in session for the end of the year. nothing is stirring, not even harry reid. yes, i'm still in the christmas spirit. the president meanwhile is in hawaii and won't be returning until tomorrow. now, normally nothing happening would not be big news in washington. nothing happening is kind of the status quo in washington. getting nothing done is to our political system as saying great is to tony the tiger. it's just kind of what we do now. right now, this week, nothing happening is huge news. the reason is that usually when washington doesn't do anything nothing happens. you do nothing, nothing happens. that's how it goes. in fact that's why people call it doing nothing. after you do it, nothing occurs. if washington doesn't do something, a lot happens. all the bush tax cuts expire, the payroll tax cuts expire. doctors participating in medicare, see their reimbursements cut by more than 25%. good luck getting a doctor then. more than a trillion
last night. he touched down in washington early this morning. and he was a senator by this afternoon. that is a big day. so senator schatz, welcome to washington. welcome to the u.s. senate. there is a lot to catch up on. first of all, many of your new colleagues, most of the people you're about to join, they won their elections back in november. you of course did not. so it is possible that between november and now, like a normal human being, you were not paying all that much attention 20 what washington has been up to. it's the end of the year. things have slowed down. we're waiting for a new congress to come in. usually you would have time to get your bearings to figure out where the bathrooms are. that is not going to be the case this year. not with the fiscal cliff. luckily for you, we here at "the rachel maddow show," we have been paying attention. we have had absolutely no other choice, unfortunately. and we are here to help you and everyone else trying to figure out how we got to this point we are in. right after that election, the day after the election, in fact, your new co
-span.org. the public funeral takes place in washington at the national cathedral beginning at 10:30 eastern. senator inouye will return home to hawaii on saturday. he died monday at the age of 88. the u.s.house will gavel in at 12:00 today. addressing the pending tax hikes and budget cuts of the so-called fiscal cliff. they will vote on speaker boehner's plan b which would raise tax rates for incomes above $1 million. they'll also vote on a bill that would replace the sequester budget cuts scheduled to take place on january 1, and also a vote on the defense authorization conference report. we'll have live coverage of the house beginning at noon here on c-span. and throughout the day. we'll take you live just outside the u.s. house live to hear from majority leader eric cantor who's going to be talking about the plan for the day and the votes ahead. should get under way momentarily. live coverage here on c-span. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] >> here on c-span we're waiting to hear from majority leader eric cantor. they
advisors and steven gil garcetg and our own jeff cox. no encouraging words out of washington, here we go again, from either the fed or congress. >> right, and frankly that's very expected. there's going to be a -- some grandstanding about your political philosophies right up until the end, but the way i view this is we will not and cannot go over the fiscal cliff. >> you think the can will be kicked down the road. >> well, i think washington learned its lessons from the credit crisis. they are not going to have this go over the cliff, and i think it's going to be a recipe of a small part of cutting spending. a small part of raising taxes and a healthy doze of kicking the gan down the road. >> you would be so sure that these guys cannot do it when in fact here we are 18 days away. steve sax from your standpoint in, terms of etfs and in terms of indexing out there, how do you want to invest given all of these uncertainties as we approach year end? >> i'm in the camp i certainly hope we can avoid the fiscal cliff, but right now i don't have a lot of confidence. we're still seeing a lot of f
leaders in washington. good morning. not an easy night for speaker john boehner. >> yes, he is coming off as having a very difficult day. he was hoping that his fellow republicans would rally around his across-the-board tax hikes that come with a fiscal cliff great he was asking fiscal conservatives to swallow some tax hikes. only on those that make more than a million dollars per year for some, that was a bridge too far. >> he is my speaker and i support him strongly. he is in a very difficult position. but i just happen to disagree with this in the correct message. raising taxes on any american, to me is not the right message at all. it is cutting spending. >> the speaker points out that the house has passed a measure that will stop all the tax hikes next year. as he said, it is all in the hands of the senate. bill: will we hear from the president? swivels democratic governments do in response? >> and i think the short answer is probably not much. at least not in the immediate offering here. the senate is in session today, but there's nothing more until later next week. as for the presi
>> welcome to the program. we're in washington for a conversation with al hunt and julianna goldman of blockberg news about the events this week, 9 fiscal cliff, questions about gun control, and others. >> was talking toome negotiating experts this week as i was work on a story about the relationship between the speaker and the president. and they say that in effective negotiation the person with the leverage needs to let the other party save face. and in this situation the president does hold the cards. he has the leverage and by giving the concessions on medicare, on medicaid, on social security, he would have taken a lot of heat from progressives who were already starting to hear that this week. and they that would have been through the saving face that could have helped john bayne never this. >> we continue with george stens founder of the kennedy center honors program and the american film institute. >> president kennedy said i look forward to an america that will not be afraid of grace and bite. i look forward to an american that will honor achievement in the arts, the way we
live. melissa: we start tonight with breaking news. it has been a tumultuous day in washington. both sides apparently in a total deadlock in the fiscal cliff negotiations. president obama is expected to make a statement on where things stand at any moment here. and with a preview we have fox businesses peter barnes. he is at the white house. peter what do we expect to hear? >> well, melissa, right now the president is finishing up on meeting with senate democratic leader harry reid who came down here to try to talk with the president with some strategy moving forward to avert the fiscal cliff. we expect the president to say that he still wants to get a deal with republicans to do that. that is still going to be time. however, that they will have to do it after the christmass3 holiday. the president plans, is planning to go to hawaii for christmas with his family. speaker boehner has left town. gone back to ohio. for the holiday. the senate is expected to come back on, on december 27th, the thursday next week, which is the earliest that they would be expected to get back to work on th
sequestration of the states. "washington >> mr. president, i rise with real heavy starter. our friend dan just died. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] [captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org--] >> a democrat of hawaii, a highly decorated wofford war two combat veteran and the second longest senator in history died on monday. the senate passed a resolution naming patrick leahy as new president pro temps, the third in line to the presidency. good morning, everyone, on this tuesday, december 18, 2012, as senators say goodbye to their longtime colleague yesterday, they will be welcoming a new senator from the state of south carolina. and tim scott has been tapped to replace jim demint. and the papers reporting progress being made about the so-called fiscal cliff talk. first, we return to the tragedy to discuss mental health issue in this country. what should be the role of the federal and state government if any in mental health? also send us a tweet, twitter.com c-spanwj or facebook .com/c-span
of it is prevalent in the papers. wednesday with congress and the president heading back to washington. here is a headline on "usa today." in the wall street journal -- if the in "the washington post." we welcome your phone calls. we will get to them in a moment. we did find another piece at politico. there you have it in the papers this morning about people being optimistic or pessimistic about things. i want to dig a little bit deeper into "the wall street journal" piece. i we will probably see some what of a flurry of activity tomorrow. if first call. what is your name and where are you calling from? i think that caller is gone. let's try the next call. caller: i am optimistic because this is a great country. we are one nation under god that. i think people ought to turn to their faith during these times because we have always needed to through hard times. host: how will this play in washington but the fiscal glove? caller: i think the republicans are going to have to give it more than the democrats. president obama is basically going to do with the people voted him in for. i think he wil
: chris joining us from philadelphia, democrats' line with representative rick larsen from washington state. caller: thank you, c-span, for what you provide the american people. i find this whole situation ironic. the fiscal cliff scares me personally -- and i think president obama certainly has shown his willingness to compromise whereas the republicans and tea party do not seem to want to do so. this ideology they are sticking to will ruin our economy and i find it hypocritical because their chief criticism of the president during the presidential campaign was his mismanagement of our economy and they are willing to mismanage our economy down the drain on some principal. it does not seem they care about the american people. they care about the part of the american people, the rich, that is what seems like to me and i am sick of it. i used to be republican and i switched party about, i guess eight or 10 years ago. which has something to do with philadelphia politics as well because you cannot have much say in philadelphia politics unless you are democrat but that is beside the point.
. the president cuts his vacation short to come back to washington, d.c., meanwhile, house republicans are literally phoning it in, this is the ed show, and as ed would say, let's get to work. >> this is something within our capacity to solve. it doesn't take that much work, we just have to do the right thing. >> six days away from the fiscal cliff and there are real consequences to millions of americans if no deal is cut. congressman elijah cummings and ryan grim of the huffington post are here with the latest. a tea party giant stages a coupe with his own office. the details on dick armey's hostile takeover. the nra is catching heat from all directions. >> i don't think the nra is listening, i don't think they understand. >> georgetown university law professor, david cole on the growing drumbeat against the nra. >>> six days until the price of milk shoots up to $8 a gallon. why house republicans are take ing america to the dairy cliff. >>> and civil liberty groups take on torture in zero dark thirty. >>> if no deal is reached, the nation will go over the fiscal cliff in a little more
. ♪ >> we begin as president obama and the senate head back to washington set for one last effort to avert the first fiscal cliff. aloha means good-bye for the president as he packs bound for the white house tonight. the president cutting short his vacation leaving michelle and the girls behind as he gets back to work to try to prevent tax increases and spending cuts due to begin next week. there's just one problem. it appears there would be no house republicans to help hammer out a deal. the gop leadership has not yet called their members back to d.c. and will not be in session tomorrow for legislative business. according to one gop aide, they felt it's up to the democrats to act now. so the christmas spirit has not softened actions. but what has softened? customer confidence. in the last week gallup found the drop in the likelihood congress will come to a deal. also holiday spending hit its lowest rate since the 2008 recession. while the president said before he left for hawaii that he said he hoped the holiday would give them a chance to cool off and reach an agreement, it appears repub
did happen, back in 2008. and our cbs station in washington, d.c. said it's no secret the secret service is now being investigated by the inspector general. >> any time when you have a compromise of information that could somehow put into play an agent and officer's vulnerabilities, then you have a threat potentially to national security. >> reporter: seen in reports, those missing files haven't been recovered, the lost information was reportedly on two computer tapes, headed to a secure storage in maryland. they apparently left the tapes on the train when it came to the end of the mow tro line. >> why wasn't it chained to his wrist with a handcuff in a case the second he stood up, said, i think i need to grab it. >> reporter: the secret service issued this statement, verifying the incident did need to happen, saying these backup tapes were not marked or identified in any way and were protected by multiple layers of security. >> the secret service tells our cbs service in washington that they notified metro transit police, and they assisted in h
't happen in washingtoners it would make great television. right-to-work laws in michigan became the 24th state in the nation. it allows union workers to opt out of paying union dues even if they're not in the union. stephen moore, "wall street journal." who would be next? >> there are a number of states neighbors to michigan really looking at this legislation. i'll name a few to you, bill. pennsylvania, ohio, west virgina, states like that are competing against southern states. remember a lot of jobs and a lot of manufacturing has moved from the midwest, the kind of rust belt of america to the south in part because those southern states are right-to-work. can i mention one other thing if i could, bill, about this issue that is important? bill: sure. >> there is so much misinformation what it means to be a right-to-work state. i want your viewers to know this, if you're a right-to-work state it does not ban unions, bill. simply means that workers who work for a unionized company have the right as an individual to join the union or not. it does not ban unions. bill: to be more specific, if
rose. . >> rose: we're in washington where fiscal cliff negotiations continue. as we taped this program it is 5:30 p.m. the house of representatives is expected to vote on the republican plan b later it this evening. house majority leader eric cantor urged democrats to support the bill which extends the bush tax cuts on income over 1 million. >> we house republicans are taking concrete actions to avoid the fiscal cliff. absent a balanced offer from the president, this is our nation's best option. and senate democrats should take up both of these measures immediately. and the president has a decision to make. he can support these measures or be responsible for reckless spending and the largest tax hike in american history. >> rose: the white house has pledged to veto plan b as 2012 comes to a close it remains to be seen whether law lakers will rise above partisanship or avert fiscal crisis. joining me al hunt and july yana goldman. we want to talk about the fiscal cliff. we want to talk about white house appointments. we want to talk about gun control and we want to talk about hearings o
in washington are calling for more gun controls, the nra wants to fight fire with fire in schools or maybe it's just the deterrent factor that they're hoping for. cnn national correspondent susan candiotti joining me from new york. is that the message that most people expected or wanted to hear from the nra? >> you know, everyone agrees that something needs to change, the question is, of course, is this the moment. armed guards in every school? we're getting different reactions to that. for example, in newtown, connecticut, where the community is still reeling after a shooter blasted his way into sandy hook elementary school and systematically gunned down 20 children and six adults, people are asking is this what we want to do now, put armed guards in every school? here's a sample of opinion in newtown. >> i'm very torn at this point. i'm not happy with the nra. i am not happy with the nra, and i am a gun owner myself. there's just no reason for automatic weapons out there in the public. and clips that discharge so many rounds of ammunition. >> i have many guns. but i don't have a third round
wash memorial -- at a washington memorial service he is expected to attend the final memorial with the first lady. >>> travel was a real nightmare for a lot of people earlier this week, but not today. good news for those of you heading home for the holidays. david lee miller, david? >> doug, what a difference a couple of days makes. some 5. million americans will be flying this holiday season. you can take a look at laguardia, despite this is one of the busiest travel days of the year things are moving like clockwork. not a single flight has been canceled that we have seen so far or delayed. some of the arrivals are getting here earlier than expected. as you mentioned just a couple days ago there were some 1,000 cancellations. that's when a storm slammed the midwest. now for the most part system wide there are very few problems to report. only 40 cancellations and about 500 delays. this is across the entire united states. we talked to a couple of travelers here at la gay you are de yaw. at laguardia. they always prepare for the worst, but it looks to be a relatively easy trave
't want taxes to go up. but we only run the house, democrats continue to run washington. >> gregg: national correspondent steve centanni joins us live from washington. >> reporter: d.c. may be some shutting down for christmas but the clock hasn't stopped and fiscal cliff is closer than ever. no deal was reached this week to keep taxes from going up. joan boehner pulled plug on the plan "b" and he says it is now up to the president and g.o.p. is continuing to hammer away at president obama. >> this is the year size of our debt surpassed the our economy. a grim milestone if we don't come to grips to w it. the president's plan to raise tax rates ko could still be as far as eye could see. >> reporter: president obama will return after christmas and work on fiscal issues. he believes a comprehensive deal could be reached but he seems to be acknowledging for scaled back plan for cutting taxes on the middle-class. >> even though democrats and republicans are arguing about whether those rates should go up for the wealthiest individuals, all of us, every single one of us agree that tax rat
is already priced in. okay. welcome to "worldwide exchange." plenty of news to watch out of washington. all of this week, we thought it would be a quiet one. but i won't be inside the beltway if they want to get something done. the u.s. will hit the $16.4 trillion debt ceiling come monday. in a letter to congressional leaders, geithner says treasury will begin taking steps to save the government about $2 billion. geithner says it's harder to predict a time frame because the ongone fiscal cliff talks make it difficult to forecast next year's budget. among the measures treasury will take including suspending state and local government securities and investments in the federal employee pension funds. those don't sound like good practices going forward. president obama meanwhile arrives back in washington after cutting short his christmas vacation in hawaii. congress is back in town, but little progress was made over the holiday to avoid the fiscal cliff and no talks have been set. the senate is due in session today, but the house has no plans to reconvene. last week, house speaker john boehner
away from each other. both men left washington for the holidays. president obama and family are in his native hawaii for a short christmas break. we'll have a live report from hawaii and the latest on the fiscal cliff talks a few minutes as well. >>> it's official. bp oil company will pay up to the tune of $7.8 billion. that is a class action settlement amount they agreed to pay, about 100,000 businesses and individuals hurt by the biggest oil spill in american history. a federal judge formized the settlement yesterday. a lot of gulf coast residents opted out of the class action suit and are pursuing lawsuits on their own. >>> in egypt today, more effects of a brand-new government's growing pains. the vice president is out. he is stepping down there. this man, mahmud mechanicy announced political life does not agree with him, and he'll go back to being a judge. it's the same day the egyptian people are voting for a second straight weekend on proposed changes to the country new islamist backed constitution. egypt's new president gave himself near absolute power. >>> a former u.s. marine
now, washington bureau correspondent hampton pearson. let's see what the average american will or won't be seeing in their pi check. >> reporter: i'm here for the lump of coal portion of the program. if there's no deal, let's look at what happens to tax rates in just seven days and these stats are from the tax policy center. the annual income from somebody in the $50,000 to $75,000, about a $2,400 increase. jumping ahead to $100,000 to $200,000, the average tax increase, $6,600. tacking at that great divide of the wealthy, over $250,000, at least a $11,000 tax hike. over $1 million, more than $254,000. >> hampton, looking at that number, that's for those americans working right now. there are still struggling americans, millions looking for work and what's the fiscal cliff mean for them? >> reporter: okay. we have unemployment at 7.7% last month and mainly went down because people gave up looking for work and jdropped out of th job market and out of work six months or longer. 4.8 million americans, they're the folks worried the most about unemployment benefits not extended after the f
lawmakers return to washington after the christmas holiday, a little bit later on this week. that's when they're going to resume negotiations in earnest. of course there had been hopes that the president and house speaker john boehner were going to get a deal done. if you looked at the beginning of last week, they were getting close to a deal it appeared but that fell apart and talks fell apart. president obama said i will accept a smaller deal as long as it doesn't allow rates for those to go up for those making $250,000 or less. over the weekend you had a few senators, including senator joe lieberman saying they believe now more than ever we may be getting closer to actually going over the fiscal cliff. that is of course hanging over the heads of a lot of americans as they enter this holiday season and also looming over this vacation the president is having. i'll give you a little sense of what president obama has been up to in hawaii. on saturday he played a round of golf with some of his closest friends and advisers and later in the day he went to dinner with the first lady and frien
, not just here in washington, but in many state and local races. a reminder that that may come to bear if some of those lawmakers get on board with this new idea of gun laws. the nra might make them pay at the polls. randi? >> thank you, tom. the nra statement came one week to the day of the sandy hook elementary shooting. across the nation a moment of silence, honoring those victims. [ bell tolls ] >> james mattioli, age 6. [ bell tolls ] >> in hartford, connecticut, a touching scene, the bell ringing for each of the victims, each little angel receiving their wings. >>> you are looking now at some live pictures of the white house and capitol hill, but the people who could get a deal done on the fiscal cliff impasse, well, they're not there. lawmakers have gone home for the holiday recess. and president obama and the first family arrived in hawaii just a short time ago. the president and lawmakers are expected to return thursday after the christmas break. before leaving washington, mr. obama and house speaker john boehner both expressed hope that a deal will actually get done. >> we ca
an update on the hurricane sandy relief bill making its way through congress. "washington journal" is next. >> nobody will get 100% of what they want. let's make sure middle-class families and the american economy and the world economy are not adversely impacted because people cannot do their jobs. host: the headline in this morning's "washington post" -- president obama and senate leaders were on the verge of an agreement that would let taxes rise on the wealthiest households while protecting the vast majority of americans from tax hikes set to hit in january. welcome to the saturday edition of "and the washington journal." for the first 45 minutes of the program we are going to be talking about senate negotiating a fiscal clifts deal, what has been going on on that half of the capital. see what they are talking about and how things are going. we want to get your input and your part of the conversation. you can reach out to us on twitter. facebook, facebook.com/cspan. and you can send us an e-mail. this is more from the article, the lead story in "the washington post." they ride, the deve
birthday to get a horse. she adored them. >>> another big story out of washington where there's been huge movement in the fiscal cliff wrangling with 14 days left to go before huge across-the-board tax hikes. overnight we learned that president obama made an eye-opening new offer in talks with house speaker john boehner. under this new proposal, tax rates would go up on incomes above $400,000. for years the president has campaigned that that number should start at $250,000. he's also offering some new spending cuts to go along with this. speaker boehner's latest proposal called for the tax hikes to kick in at $1 million. cnn's dan lothian is in washington with the latest on this. dan, it really does look like there is some movement. >> it does. this movement came during a meeting the president had with speaker john boehner yesterday at the white house. that meeting lasted for 45 minutes. it was the third time they had met in the past eight days. you're right, it is pretty dramatic because the president for years now had been holding steadfast to that $250,000 threshold, saying that the bu
is that? tom foreman is in washington to speculate. good morning. >> reporter: hi, carroll. we don't know what that means. there's been speculation it will have something to do with mental health issues because certainly at a lot of local levels people talked about that on the republican side. people on the conservative side saying that has to be addressed as much, perhaps more than the gun issue itself. so we're expecting that may be the direction to go but the truth is we don't really know. what we do know is that the nra was quiet immediately after this. they often are after such incidents and they usually say as they did this time out of respect for the community and the family involved but now that a little bit of time has passed what we would certainly expect here is that there would be a clear message to the white house and to others which is be careful about overreacting at this point because the nra will push back and certainly they have proven that politically they have the power to do it not only nationally but certainly at the state level. carol? >> tom foreman reporting live
have guards armed with guns of their own. nbc justice correspondent pete williams says s in washington for more on this. can you break down the nra's solution? >> the nra says the answer to combating school violence is simple. it says banks, power plarngts congress, and the president are protected with armed security and the nation's schools should be guarded that way, too. after a week of calls for tighter gun restrictions and signs of a possible shift in public attitudes, about access to the weapons like the rifle used in connecticut, the national rifle association instead called for putting more armed security officers in the nation's schools. the. >> the onlying that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> reporter: the nra's wayne la pierre says children in most schools are defenseless because the schools proclaim to be places without guns. >> they tell every insane killer in america that schools are the safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk. >> reporter: he took no questions from reporters but was interrupted by protesters. >> shame on the nra!
relating to the fiscal cliff is dana bash. she joins me now from washington. dana, great to see you again. tell me does even a band-aid approach work? >> it's going to be tough. this is all math. but it really has to do with the math with regard to votes. and democrats especially who i'm talking to in the senate which is probably where this will originate, the reality is that democrats don't hold a very big majority. her going to need to have a handful of republicans to cross party lines and vote with them on the whole concept of raising any taxes. especially what the president wants which is something that is raising taxes on all americans making more than $250,000. that's the senate. never mind the house, which of course, made clear to the house speaker that they won't even go for something that's a million dollars or more when it comes to tax increases. that was last week. >> dana, you were saying that when you were reporting on it when it was breaking that evening, you called that devastating for john boehner. now that house republicans have clearly rebelled against john boehner, can
they have been more cautious with their holiday spending because of the uncertainty in washington. economists warn it could get worse and the markets could be foiled if we go over the fiscal cliff. taxes will go up for the average american by about $2,000 and could put us back into a recession. >> which nobody wants to see. kristen welker in hawaii. the president is coming back, but they haven't gotten the 48 hour notice. they are very much out there in play. thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. when the senate returns tomorrow morning, there will be a new emphasis on members taking a larger role in the fiscal cliff negotiations that based off the current offer may only have a smaller deal. a member of the budget committee and outspoken voice on the left side of the aisle. thanks for joining me. good morning. >> mire pleasure. >> we were saying a lack of urgency in washington to deal with the fiscal cliff and being a member of congress especially a respected member of the senate and what do you think is possible at this point on any type of a large scale deal. what d
the storm. >>> and back to work in washington with five days to go. president obama comes back to washington to try to hammer out a deal with the senate, and we're hearing it may come down to the final minute of the year. >>> sticky gas pedals costing toyota $1 billion. the company's plan to put sudden acceleration allegations in their past and how you may we able to cash in on it even if you already sold your car. >>> a packed show ahead. congressman steven latourette of ohio, senator richard blumenthal of connecticut, plus the grinch. it's thursday, december 27th. "starting point" begins right now. >>> well, our starting point, a brutal winter storm battering the northeast and torturing holiday travelers all over the country. here it is on the radar. the system is expected to dump up to two feet of snow on central maine today. six states are under winter storm warnings, pennsylvania, new york, massachusetts, new hampshire, vermont, and of course maine. everyone there could see at least a foot of snow. more than 200,000 customers spanning several states are already without power. more than
. and a mad scramble is on here in washington to avoid the drastic tax hikes and spending cuts that many fear will plunge the economy back into recession. president obama flies back from hawaii tonight to be ready if the senate comes back with a plan when it returns to work tomorrow. and house leaders are huddling with members on stand-by to return. senior congressional correspondent dana bash is following all of it for us. what are you hearing? >> there was a conference call of course members of the house leadership even, they're back in their districts, but there was a conference call today among those house republican leaders trying to figure out if and when the house should come back into session. two republican sources tell me they did not make a decision on this call. it's still up in the air. and a big reason for that is if anything can get done in the next six days, the ball is in the senate's court. the capitol is a ghost town. neither chamber in session. an eerie calm since the fiscal cliff only congress has the power to avert is less than one week away. from their home, senate demo
charges, but no agreement in sight. that, in short, summed up the state of affairs in washington today as the fiscal cliff deadline loomed, january first. it would mean more than $600 billion in across-the-board tax increases and automatic spending cuts. >> come the first of this year, americans will have less income than they have today. if we go over the cliff, and it looks like that's where we're headed. >> warner: this morning, the senate's democratic majority leader, harry reid, was blunt about chances for a deal. and he blamed house speaker john boehner. just before christmas, boehner floated his so-called "plan b"-- letting taxes rise on millionaires. but faced with opposition in republican ranks, he pulled it, and sent the house home for the holiday. reid charged today politics explained why the speaker had not yet called the house back. >> john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than keeping the nation on a firm financial footing. it's obvious what's going on. he's waiting until january 3 to get reelected to speaker before he gets serious about negotiatio
, and chip reid is in washington. >> president obama will be arriving in washington tomorrow and both houses of congress will be back in session tomorrow. that will give them just five days to put together a deal to avoid the massive automatic tax hikes and spending cuts known as the fiscal cliff. >> president obama spent christmas day visiting with troops in hawaii. >> while back in washington uncertainty about the looming fiscal cliff continues. there has been to communication between republicans and democrats about how to avoid going over the cliff. before the christmas break, speaker john boehner was unable to get enough support from respects to pass his plan and help said it was up to the white house and the senate to avert the cliff. so now harry reid is believed to be crafting a plan of his own. it's expected to extend bush-era tax cuts. it would also include short-term spending cuts instead of the massive cuts that would occur if there is no deal. it would also patch up the alternative minimum tax that will hit even more middle class families and schedule a
members will be here in washington tomorrow, but we'll be hearing crickets on the house floor. nbc news has learned the republican leadership has not given representatives the 48-hour notice to return to work, another sign of inaction on the fiscal cliff front. joining me now for our daily fix, mr. jonathan capehart, msnbc contributor and "washington post" editorial writer. jonathan, we're just six days away, no indication from house republicans that they are going to come back any time soon. the leadership has gone mum on that. we know there's not been communication between boehner and mcconnell, obama and boehner. are you amazed with this short amount of time to go there seems to be no sense of urgency on either side? >> am i amazed, given what we went through with the debt ceiling, no, i'm not amazed. i think there are forces here in this town that would like for us, sure people would like for there to be a deal, but going over the cliff on january 1st when there's this notion where it's not really a cliff, it's a slope, it's a curb depending who you talk to, that you can repair the
, explain to all of us because it appears the lights are out in washington d.c. the president is in hawaii. everyone is home. with all the sides saying that they expect to go over the cliff, it looks pretty likely that that might just happen. >> well, i certainly think that concern is growing. that that's a real possibility at this point. at the same time, thomas, i think there's still so much pressure on all sides so get something done because as he heard joe lieberman said, the consequences would be huge. the economy could potentially slip back into recession. the white house has described this as a working vacation for president obama, but the reality is that negotiations are largely deadlocked on all sides. there have been a few talks going on at the staff level, but the real bulk of this work is going to get done when lawmakers return to washington later this week after the christmas holiday and resume manageses. that's when we're going to see the focus really shift away from the house and on to the senate. of course, speaker boehner tried to get his plan b, alternative bill through t
roberts. topping the agenda today president obama mays malalo to hawaii and aloha to washington, d.c. heading back and we're now six days and counting until the country sees the business end of the economic brink and taxes going up for all americans. so far, there's been no call for the house to get back to the hill. senators return to the capitol tomorrow. the question remains krks the president join congress and surf the rough political waters to get a deal in time? >> i think he's doing all he can and calving hell at the same time and there's give, give. i think it's very, very difficult, particularly after boehner's plan "b" failed. >> the key issue i think and the american people are catching on is that the problem that we have is we have a right wing political figure in the house way, way, way out of touch of what the american people are thinking. >>> there's early economic sinls that the uncertainty over the cliff may have clayed the role of scrooge this holiday season. early holiday numbers point to the worst year to year growth since 2008. >>> i think the president is stew
and house speaker boehner left washington without reaching a deal on the fiscal cliff. before heading to hawaii, president obama said he met individually with leaders of the house and senate, asking them to work toward a package that prevents a tax hike on middle class americans. >> this is something within our capacity to solve. it doesn't take that much work. we just have to do the right thing. so call me a hopeless optimist, but i still think we can get it done. >> earlier in the day, speaker boehner held a news conference. a vote on his so-called plan "b" was scrapped thursday night when it became clear it did not have enough support among house republicans to secure passage. >> a situation where because of the political divide in the country, because of the divide here in washington, trying to bridge these differences has been difficult. if it were easy, i'll guarantee you this would have been done decades before. >> joining me now, congressional reporter for "the washington post," ed o'keefe. good to see you. >> good to see you too. any kind of realistic timetable that this will
in washington with five days to keep the country from going over the so-called fiscal cliff. president obama in d.c. a few hours ago after scrapping the rest of the holiday vacation in hawaii. before his departure, the president called all four congressional leaders, reid, mcconnell, boehner and pelosi. now fiery words after reid hit boehner with volley after volley from the senate floor earlier today. >> if we go over the cliff and it looks like that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives as we speak with four days after today aren't here with the speaker having told them they'll have 48-hours notice. i can't imagine their conscie e consciences. >> speaker boehner's office responding with a terse statement saying in part, quote, senator reid should talk less and legislate more. the house already passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff. senate democrats have not. joining me now from d.c. nbc news white house correspondent peter alexander. peter, there was word the last hour that the president may have sent some sort of deal. the white house then turnin
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